Can Political Correctness and Freedom of Speech co-exist?

 

Ok, I have had a number of interesting comments on one of my posts called ‘Passive and Pro-active, is there such a thing?‘ and I thought that instead of writing a long winded post about the effects of Political Correctness and the right to Freedom of Speech in democratic nations, I would just put up a poll for now.In the post I was discussing the rights of certain groups in Israel called the Messianics or the Yeshuims and how they have recently been given the courts backing to be allowed to carry on with their church and their community. The courts noted that they are not missional, so therefore are a passive, political group. This brought to my mind the following question…

So it you want to weigh in please feel free to do so.The post in question briefly spoke about religious offence and some people have come back with some very interesting points that I would like to quote.

Vee:You said: How politically incorrect to say that Jesus is the only way.I’ll be blunt; I’m a Jew, and I find that statement “offensive;” however, that is not to say that you shouldn’t say it. Who am I to pass judgement on your religious beliefs? Michael from Oleh Musings, who I am fast considering a mate (Insert Aussie colloquialism here) of mine.

As for dealing with the Messianic, Michael says the following:

As for religion, well, since you quoted Maimonides:“I believe with perfect faith in the coming of the Messiah, and though he may tarry, still do I believe.”Notice, for us Jews, the future tense….

Well, as a Christian, I pray that you find Messiah in the not so distant future, better sooner than later I say. :)And Tania, another good friend of mine, brings up some interesting thoughts on Jewish Missionaries:

Even before Jesus, there were Jewish missionaries. Examples are like Jonah, who went to gentiles to tell them to repent from their ways and turn to God. It shows that the Jews had a purpose in telling the world about God and that God also cared for the gentiles. It was a Jewish thing to proselytize others and not until after Jesus and Rabbis who added greek philosophy and other ideas to Judaism, did this stop.

And speaking once more on Maimonides, Tania recalls:

It is interesting that Maimonides said that he thought Jesus was sent by God to turn gentiles to the one true God of Israel. So he by doing this said “its ok for the gentiles but not for us!”

Interesting… because someone has also said that …”If Jesus is not the Jewish Messiah then He is not the Christ for Christians”. Or something much along those lines.One Messiah – Two Comings is a good article by Yakov Prasch to get your head around the concept of Messiah Joseph – Messiah David, many people don’t understand this and because of this lack of understanding there is a danger to think that their could be two messiah’s. Yes, there are two kinds of Messiah, but the Messiah is a Messiah for all nations.

There are two kinds of Messianic prophecies in the Old Testament – the “Suffering Servant” prophecies (seen in the Servant Songs of Isaiah and elsewhere, and in some of the psalms of David), and also the “Davidic Messiah” of the conquering triumphal King who will subdue the enemies of God, establish the Kingdom and bring in worldwide peace, reigning from Jerusalem.If Jesus is not the Messiah of the Jews, neither is He the Christ of the church. They mean the same thing: “Christ” and “Messiah,” the “Anointed One.”Jesus has not fulfilled all of the Old Testament prophecies as yet. He has only fulfilled the “Son of David” prophecies in a spiritual sense, not yet in an historical sense. For Jesus to be the Messiah, He must fulfill all the prophecies.The ‘Suffering Servant’ Messiah is called HaMashiach Ben Yosef, the Messiah, the Son of Joseph. The ‘Conquering King’ Messiah is HaMashiach Ben David, the Messiah, the Son of David.

Ah…. even Yakov Prasch has heard of that phrase about the Jewish Messiah being the Christ for Christians otherwise He is no Messiah at all. Yakov uses Jewish Midrashim to explain this concept of One Messiah – Two Comings, an excellent read.Anyway, from the comments from some very astute people that I happen to respectgreatly, I have been left with a few ideas on future posts, thanks guys for your input.

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11 thoughts on “Can Political Correctness and Freedom of Speech co-exist?

  1. …Messiah in the not so distant future, better sooner than later I say.

    And I agree. I still think it’ll be the first (and only) coming, though!

    Thanks for the hat-tip, as usual.

    And since I can’t comment without tossing in 2 cents (or 10 agoroth, since I’m in Israel) on something I don’t have lots of knowledge on, here’s my view of so-called “Messianic Jews:”

    They’re Christians, but don’t realize it. I’ve tried to explain this to “Jews for Jesus” before; a belief in Jesus as divine is simply not compatible with basic tenets of Judaism.

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  2. Hey Michael,

    Do you have Jews for Jesus as missionaries in Israel? Or have you spoken to them via email and web-sites?

    With regards to calling a Jew who has accepted Yeshua as their Messiah a Messainic Jew.

    The term Messiah is found in both Testaments and has the precise same meaning of “Christian” (‘Christ’ is used in both the New Testament and in The Septuagint); Messiah coming from the Hebrew term ‘anoint’ with its Greek equivalent ‘Christ’.

    As the terms means the exact same thing etymologically, linguistically, and biblically there is no real biblical grounds for any objection to a Jewish believer calling themselves ‘Messianic’.

    Messiah Hebrew:

    משׁיח
    mâshîyach
    maw-shee’-akh; anointed; usually a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint); specifically the Messiah: – anointed, Messiah.

    Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

    Messiah which is Christ in the Greek:

    Χριστός
    Christos
    khris-tos’; anointed, that is, the Messiah, an epithet of Jesus: – Christ.

    Joh 1:41 This one first found his own brother Simon and tells him, We have found the Messiah (which being translated is, the Christ).

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  3. Vee:
    I understand your linguistic point.
    However, the problem with “Messianic Jews” is that their basic belief (Jesus was the Messiah) is antithetical to one of Judaism’s core tenets (the Messiah is yet to come).

    (Hasn’t yet been sent/Jesus was it) they can’t both be true, no matter what language you’re using.

    For the reasons you’ve eluciadated, a “Messianic Jew” should just call himself a Christian, to avoid confusion.

    I have heard of “Jews for Jesus” missionaries here, but haven’t met any. As you can imagine, missionaries in general are not very popular here.

    When I was in college, I used to get ‘targeted’ by them pretty frequently; there weren’t a lot of Jews on campus, and I think we were seen as a ‘coup’ by these groups. It got pretty annoying, pretty quickly.

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  4. Michael,

    I said …Messiah in the not so distant future, better sooner than later I say.

    Then Michael said…And I agree. I still think it’ll be the first (and only) coming, though!

    Well your/our prophet Zechariah does say that you will see the messiah as one pierced and thrust through unto death, as well as being humbled on an ass and a King and victorious nontheless:

    Zec 12:10 And I will pour on the house of David, and on those living in Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of prayers. And they shall look on Me whom they have pierced; and they shall mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they shall be bitter over Him, like the bitterness over the first-born.

    Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King comes to you! He is righteous and being victorious, humble, and riding on an ass, even on a colt, the son of an ass.

    HaMashiach ben Yosef – HaMashiach ben David. How can this be???

    I don’t want to be annoying to you at all 🙂 and I hope you don’t see me as being that?

    But I do want to explain and address some points made at some point in time.

    I won’t hound you at all. I for one, am happy that you come here and read my blog at all. I hope you understand that I have respect for you, and that I can separate opinion from person, as clearly you have done and continue to do so, as you have shown and demonstrated in your comments to me and others in the blogosphere.

    In saying that, as a Christian writer of this blog, it may appear that Jews, Muslims, New Agers, Athiests et al, are targeted as I continue to defend my faith. I cannot help but do this, and this brings up that question once again… is there such thing as true religious freedom? For me to practice true religious freedom, means that as a Christian, I will continue to proclaim the so called offensive claim that Jesus made… that He is the only way to the Father and that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life for salvation. As you have said, you would protect my right to say that. As I would protect your right to say …. He is not!

    As Christianity is a sect of Judaism according to Acts 28:22 then it may appear that I am specifically targeting you, and others like you, in my defense of my faith.

    I can imagine that it would be hard not to feel attacked. This is not purposeful, but rather defending my faith as it stems from the earliest Church which consisted mainly of Jewish people who recognised Yeshua from the books of Moses and the prophets, therefore my faith has strong ties with Jewish teachings.

    But as for me, I pray that I like Paul, can boldly speak of the mystery of the gospel according to the scriptures which does include the Old Testament therefore may pique your interest a wee bit 😉 :

    Eph 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

    Respectfully

    Vee

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  5. As you have said, you would protect my right to say that. As I would protect your right to say …. He is not!

    And I’ve said here before, that we are both fortunate to live in countries were we have those rights.

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  6. Hey, Vee, I was just thinking, about the title of this post:
    Can Political Correctness and Freedom of Speech co-exist?

    I think, after reading many of the comments here on your site, that we’ve pretty much determined that the answer to the question is “No.”

    PC is an absolute antithesis to Free Speech; it aims to put fetters on speech, under the claim that people have a “right” to never be offended.

    The only way to guarantee that, of course, is to live in an echo chamber…

    A smart guy once said that the only “inalienable” rights are “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

    To secure the first, murder is illegal. To secure the second, our governments have limits placed on them. And the third, well, that’s tricky. We can “pursue happiness” all we want, but notice that we have no “right” to be happy.

    I think that’s just a recognition that avoiding all offense is simply not possible, once you get past kindergarten. It’s something the PC crowd hasn’t grown up and learned yet….

    Just some food for thought.

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  7. I think that’s just a recognition that avoiding all offense is simply not possible, once you get past kindergarten. It’s something the PC crowd hasn’t grown up and learned yet….

    Funny 🙂

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  8. If all of us that love God and believe in Grace stop augueing over who has it right, christians , Jewish, protestants, etc, maybe we can do what God really wants us to do. restore the world he made for us. Paradise on earth. It starts by first finding whjat we all agree on….The world as we know it seems to be crumling, morally deficiet. It has been since the first bite of the forbidden fruit only now you can see it all over the world on one computer or TV etc. SO PLEASE LETS AGREE ON THAT MUCH…we those who love God and true peace need to help restore the world and those who are hurt , corrupted or down right evil to find Grace, or at least give them a chance for Grace. God Bless you all
    Robert

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  9. Unfortunately Robert, we live in a world that is full of sinners, and that world wont be fully restored until Christ comes again. Man’s efforts are tainted in sin and are pretty much fruitless, as much as we try it just isn’t going to be paradise on earth until Christ comes again and rules this world from Jerusalem.

    As far as how I interpret biblical prophecy I am close to a dispensationalist and I interpret the Word of God in its Historical Grammatical Context. The world just before Christ comes is going to be a very difficult place to live in because mankind cannot even come close to building a world without divide. Truth by its very nature divides and because post-modernism attempts to put this aside for the moment when it gets down to it people who have been in their minds convicted of truth just wont compromise. This is found in many different groups of people of different faith, lifestyles and is found in people who admit that they don’t hold any faith in any supreme being.

    The closer the world comes together as a seemingly global village, the more fragmentation occurs because of ones convictions. It’s the tower of Babel trying to be built, and God said NO then and nothing has really changed. We are just at the cycle of something that has occurred it man’s history and is recapitulated over and over again. Just look at the history of previous Empires. Each one had the same wish that Paradise could be brought in my mankind and each one failed.

    Paradise on earth is mentioned in the bible many times and is something that occurs only when Christ comes again. The book of Daniel explains this very clearly. The last kingdom to be around before Messiah/Christ comes is a kingdom that is represented by the ten toes and the toes although represent a somewhat global kingdom, they are made up of clay and iron and do not mix.

    Dan 2:41-43 And as to that you saw, he feet and the toes were partly of potters’ clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided. Butthere shall be in it the strength of iron, because you saw the iron mixed with clay of the potter. And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. And as you saw the iron mixed with the clay of the clay, they shall be mixed with the seed of men. But they shall not adhere to one another, even as iron does not mix with clay.

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