Whose Land is it anyway?

Part two to this post now avaibable. I would just like to point out that the land of Israel according to scripture belongs to Abraham’s recognised seed, the Jews. Now if you have a problem with that, then may I suggest you take it up with God! God is the one that showed the land to Abraham and it was God who made the covenant with Abraham concerning the land which extended from the river of Egypt to the great river Euphrates. It is God’s promise – and one that He will fulfill one way or another. untothy.gifLet God be true and every man a liar! For this very reason and only this reason do I support Israel’s right to exist, even though boundaries have swapped and changed through the ages, Israel was promised this land by God! If you try to understand this using any other means besides the Word of God, then I’m afraid you will hit a brick wall everywhere you turn. So, let me be clear in that I am taking God’s word about what He promised as a literal promise, the world as of this moment waits for God’s timing and for its ultimate fruition whether the world likes it or not is besides the point. His Word will not return to Him void. Gen 15:18 On that day Jehovah made a covenant with Abram, saying, I have given this land to your seed, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates. This is commonly referred to as the ‘Promised Land’ or ‘Greater Israel’, which is actually quite a lot bigger than current Israel. This is a prophecy that will have its ultimate fulfillment when Christ comes again. In the meantime this highly charged bit of real-estate is the most coveted and the most talked about, not only throughout history but even in the times in which we live. Talk about a stumbling block for governments all over the world (see Zec 12:3). bless.gifHere’s the thing. God said regarding this nation/people called Israel that whoever blesses them will be blessed and whoever curses them will be cursed. So, in my mind you should be pretty careful with what you say about this land and this people. So, just what are governments and leaders saying about this little piece of land? Perhaps you should keep your ears pricked, but first find out where you stand on this issue. Do you believe God and His Word is a question you should ask yourself? I do, and let me make it clear that is where I stand – on His Word only. I will give you the head’s up just in-case your head has been stuck in the sand lately regarding the worlds view on this nation.

Well, a few days ago the Australian Prime Minister John Howard has this to say at a Security conference in Canberra:

“There must be unconditional acceptance throughout the entire Arab world, without exception, of Israel’s right to exist in peace and security behind recognised borders,” he said.

“The entire Arab world – including Syria, Hizbollah and Hamas and in addition Iran – must give up forever the idea that the Israelis can be driven into the sea.” @Herald Sun

There is no question in my mind about the right of Israel to exist. The key to this statement however, is this – ‘security behind recognised borders’what borders does he mean? Another question to be asked is – what recognised borders do other nations accept as legitimate – there is a problem here because it depends on centuries of history and ones perspective. This issue will always be in contention and held onto by ones ideologies and ones historical perspectives. The borders of Israel divide people and collectively they divide countries. Interesting times for all, wouldn’t you say? This tiny little piece of land is the most focused and the most debated bit of real-estate in the world and certainly a thorn in the side for the United Nations – a Non Government Organisation that was created to actually give the Jews a homeland called Israel. The United Nations has dedicated one-third of its time either deliberating, arguing or denouncing Israel because of her hold on Jerusalem. This tiny little country (which is becoming smaller as international bodies put the pressure on!) with one one-thousandth of the world population has taken up this much time and discussion within the UN. More than sixty thousand individual votes have been cast against this tiny nation. I kinda thing that this is very much like that burdensome stone that God spoke about in Zec 12:3. If you think that is amazing how does this grab you… Israel has been a member of the UN for more than fifty years yet, she is not allowed to take her two-year turn as one of the ten rotating nations on the Security Council. Of the 191 current UN members, 190 of them including some of the worst terrorist nations of the world they are all allowed to take their turn on the Security Council, but not Israel. Of the 53 member UN commission on Human Rights Libya, Cuba, Zimbabwe and others are all allowed to take their turn of the Security Council including the Sudan… but no, not Israel, Israel is not allowed to take her turn. *** Israel is not allowed to be a member of the ‘International Red Cross’ yet, ‘The Red Cresent’ which represents Muslim countries world wide (among which, many are terrorist nations) are part of this international humanitarian organisation and some of these nations have not even signed the 1949 Geneva Convention! *** ***Amendment made concerning the above by author of living Journey***(As noted by one commenter (see below), this is not the case. As far as I understand from the link provided by commenter – Palestine is the only one who has not signed the Geneva Convention. My information came from a book that was written early this year, the book resourced was a second addition by a reputable author, I will email the author to verify his sources, whether I hear from him or not I cannot say. I apologise for any misleading that this may have incurred. I would appreciate any further information on this and if you have some information on this subject please feel free to comment and direct me to the appropriate rescourses)). However, my stand has not change in regards to Israel’s right to exist and that her existence is a legitimate one and one that is firstly based on the Word of God. My stand is also one of concern regarding her giving up anymore land that renders her security null and void. Giving up the West Bank puts her in a very vulnerable postition as the narrowest part between the West Bank and the sea is only 15 kms wide. Not only that, when this pull-out happens (as I believe it will) Jerusalem will be cut in half and that will create a problem for the Temple Mount where the Dome of the rock currently is situated. This Temple Mount is the location of the first and second Temple that is described in the Bible which was there long before the Dome of the Rock. No-where in the Koran is Jerusalem mentioned- not even once, Jerusalem in the Bible however is mentioned around 600 times as being Spiritually significant for Israel and the Jews. borders.gifThis I believe is the burdensome stone that Zechariah speaks of. God’s promise of greater Israel is yet to happen and will only happen when Christ comes again when He sets the record straight. In the mean time all nations are gathering together against her. (Zec 14:2) The world hasn’t even begun discussing Jerusalem and its boundaries in any serious way yet (watch carefully when it does). Jerusalem is of course God’s Holy Mountain and when that mountain is in dispute that is when God becomes jealous for His Holy mountain. Watch closely when the Israeli government withdraws from the West Bank, the lines drawn for this new state cuts Jerusalam in half. Watch and pray! Zec 1:14 And the messenger who is speaking with me, saith unto me, `Call, saying: Thus said Jehovah of Hosts: I have been zealous for Jerusalem, and for Zion with great zeal. Zec 1:15 And with great wrath I am wroth against the nations who are at ease, For I was a little wroth, and they assisted–for evil. Zec 1:16 Therefore, thus said Jehovah: I have turned to Jerusalem with mercies, My house is built in it, An affirmation of Jehovah of Hosts, And a line is stretched over Jerusalem. Zec 1:17 Again call, saying: Thus said Jehovah of Hosts, Again do my cities overflow from good, And Jehovah hath again comforted Zion, And He hath fixed again on Jerusalem.’ dome_of_the_rock_distance.jpg Part two available now!

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8 thoughts on “Whose Land is it anyway?

  1. Actually, the Red Cross officially recognised Isreal’s emblem (the red star of David) this year.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5104680.stm

    And which Muslim nations did not sign or later accede to the Geneva convention? The only one not on the list is Palestine and the reason stated is as follows:
    “On 21 June 1989, the Swiss Federal Department of Foreign Affairs received a letter from the Permanent Observer of Palestine to the United Nations Office at Geneva informing the Swiss Federal Council “that the Executive Committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization, entrusted with the functions of the Government of the State of Palestine by decision of the Palestine National Council, decided, on 4 May 1989, to adhere to the Four Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and the two Protocols additional thereto”.
    On 13 September 1989, the Swiss Federal Council informed the States that it was not in a position to decide whether the letter constituted an instrument of accession, “due to the uncertainty within the international community as to the existence or non-existence of a State of Palestine”.”
    http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebSign?ReadForm&id=375&ps=P

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  2. That is good news about Israel being recognised.
    Additional protocols have been added since, and I may provide the links to them later, when I have some more time.
    And you are right about Palestine being the only one who has not signed. I apologise for my mistake. I got this from a book that was updated at the beginning of the year. I am going to try and get in contact with the Author to verify why he documented that, as there may be some additional information that I am not aware of. Whether or not he wil answer me I cannot say.
    Thanks for pointing that out, in fact I will highlight that paragraph with an amendment made to it and point to your link provided.
    To me it has shown me how careful we have to be when dealing with the rescources of the fallible man.
    And that is why I will stand with God’s Word only, as man can err and God cannot. What a lesson for all of us hey!!
    I will come back and do all the above, I have to take the girls out shopping.
    Thanks Sarah once again.
    V
    Nice chat by the way 🙂

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  3. You are right about the old covenant but I disagree as to how those prophecies and promises are to be interpreted after God has made a new covenant for all ethnithicities (or anything else that divides mankind) specifically sealed by and bought and paid for in the blood of His own Son, our Saviour Jesus.

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  4. Regarding Ishmael being Abraham’s son, yes he was Abraham’s son, if you note that I start this post with the one seed God gives the land to is the recognised seed (in fact Abraham had many sons by another wife called Keturah), Ishmael was also blest but not with the land of Israel but with Paran which is known today as Egypt, his mother’s homeland.
    Abraham himself noted that Ishmael was not recognised as the promised seed by which Sarah was to give birth to and he petitioned God concerning the plight of Ishmael. Abraham had this to say:
    Gen 17:18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!
    God answered with a very clear prophesy saying this:
    Gen 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant and with his seed after him.
    The Covenant land was established with the seed of Abraham by his wife Sarah and then later on Jacob enters the equation through being Isaac’s second born son (where it speaks of his seed after him, much can be said about the patterns of blessing promised to the second born son right throughout the bible – there is a typology being set up – I may post on that one-day!).
    This covenant was not for Ishmael… Ishmael was blessed with much more land than Isaac ever received in comparison.
    Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
    Gen 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
    Gen 21:20 And God was with the lad, and he grew. And he dwelt in the wilderness, and became, as he grew up, an archer.
    Gen 21:21 And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran. And his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.
    Now if you don’t take the Bibles word for it then perhaps you will be a little more persuaded by the Koran which has a surah ( has many actually) that is clear about whom the land actually belongs to.
    In this Surah Moses is quoted as telling the Jews to “enter into the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you”. While Mohammed later condemns the Jews for their sins and their refusal to accept his message (meaning, accepting Mohammad himself as the prophet of the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob), he never says that, as punishment, Allah has revoked our title to the Holy Land. Therefore the title still stands.
    Surah 5:20-21Remember Moses said to his people: “O my people! Call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the people. “O my people! Enter the holy land which God hath assigned unto you and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.”
    V
    Part two

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