Prime Minister of Australia could ignite racial violence

I was watching the news last night and on it was a small bit of news that struck my ears. John Howard the Australian Prime Minister said that there is a small section of the Islamic community that needed to learn the English language and embrace Australian values including the treatment of women as equals ( he has suggested that 99% of the Islamic population has integrated successfully and is part of the Australian community). He was blasted by his own Islamic advisers who have accused Mr Howard and other senior ministers who have said similar things of fuelling hatred by using “inflammatory and derogatory” language.

John Howards Islamic advisers have said to the PM that if he doesn’t want to see a repeat of the Cronulla incident in Sydney then he should apologise to the Islamic community. That was on the news last night.This is a quote from Reuters about the situation:

SYDNEY (Reuters) – Australian Prime Minister John Howard has called on migrants, particularly Muslims, to integrate into Australian society by quickly learning English — sparking warnings his comments may lead to race riots.

The head of the government’s Muslim advisory committee, Ameer Ali, said on Friday that Howard’s comments could fuel race riots like those at Sydney’s Cronulla beach last December.

Is that a forcast of what could happen? I hope not! I for one do not want to see a repeat of what happened in Australia. We should be keeping a very close eye on the current social climate and hope that there will not be a repeat of last Decembers race riots. If there were to be riots, at whose feet could the blame lie?

What I am hearing is this – the Islamic advisory committee is saying that whatever is said in a Democratic country could very well upset the Islamic community and marginalize them, which then could go on to ignite possible violence. Great! I guess I had better shut-up then. Gag me if you please!

I happen to agree that women should be treated as equals in this country (in any country actually) and that we should live under one common law. In Australia we have the right to protest peacefully, I wonder if that freedom will be utilised and encouraged over any senseless, violent rioting.

Why can’t our politicians say that they want better integration for a better country? I have to wonder where all this rhetoric is going to lead.

Thinking on all of this I am reminded of the fact that if I go and live in Saudi Arabia I can’t even take my bible into that country, let alone have fellowship with other Christians. It is against the law. I would by law have to live by the laws of that country. That country does not apologise for that. It doesn’t have to because it is not a country of freedom.

But a democratic country however, has to allow for freedoms of all people. So, what about the more extreme sharia’ law abiding people living in Muslim communities. Should they be allowed to practice their religion in complete freedom in a democratic country and exercise their right to live under their sharia’ law? Does a true and un-hypocritical democracy actually insist on it? These are questions that should be asked. I bet you won’t like the answer when you find it.

Charlie Hebdo editor Philippe Val wrote: “When extremists extract concessions from democracies on points of principle, either by blackmail or terror, democracies do not have long left,”

Are we beginning to see democracy turn around on itself and bite itself on the proverbial behind? This post is full of questions I know, but they must be asked. I am not going to give any answers to them but that doesn’t mean that I do not have my opinion on such matters of where this world is heading. You only have to read my blog to know where I stand on any man made governmental structure…I know that it will fail. Democracy is an ideal that is not an ever lasting one – but it actually has a life span of around 200 years or so, history testifies to that fact.

Yet, we have people who are of the christian persuasion – like the Rick Warren’s and Brian McLaren’s of this world – who insist that this world can live in perfect harmony in a mish mash of different faiths, within an all inclusive and post-modern integral system.no_head_in_sand_150t.gif

I have a feeling that this is man’s last ditch effort to save the democratic ideal that we all hold on to so defiantly and some of us can see that it is beginning to crack. Mankind has his head stuck in the sand by choice I think.

Well, I have pulled my head out and I am looking around – I have a mouth to tell you about I see…. and there fine people, you have the problem! While I have a voice, I will use it! Because there may come a time when I can’t.

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14 thoughts on “Prime Minister of Australia could ignite racial violence

  1. I have a problem with the stereotypes John Howard is making about Muslim people, especially Muslim women. One of my senior lecturers at uni is muslim, and wears the head dress. She once made the comment that the head dress represents freedom for her – freedom from worrying about fashion and vanity. With the clothes she wears I cannot tell whether she is overweight or not, whether she has nice hair, whether she wears the right clothes. In this regard, I think she is more ‘free’ in that sense than many white Australian women.
    I also think it is unfair to refer to John Howard’s Islamic advisers as ‘extremists’. Extremist Muslims make up a very small part of the entire Muslim population. I agree that it would be problematic for democracy if extremists were to extract concessions, but I don’t think that that is what happened in this case. Far from it.

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  2. I totally agree with John Howard’s foreign policy. Australia has always embraced Christianity. it’s values and fundamentals are the backbone of Australia . It’s not unreasonable for a Prime Minister to tell people who wish to live in Australia, that if they want to settle in Australia they will have to adapt to their culture and way of life, is that not the reason people move to another country? If you don’t like it, then move to a country that’s culture and laws suit you. I admire John Howards’ courage to stand up and publically address this situation. Australia is thiriving because the PM has put his foot down on this subject and not letting it become like Britain; where immigrants are tearing apart the very foundation on which Britian was built. Christians are fast becoming the outcasts of society, pushed out by Islam and Humanism. The government forces the theory of evolution which in turn creates journalists who will write in national newspapers expressing their views. British society has not even realised that their heritage has been taken away from them, yet 70% of Britons will identify with Christianity. It will not be long until the Church will have to go into hiding, and the name of Jesus becomes outlawed.

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  3. Speaking of the name of Jesus becoming outlawed. This I recieved only a couple of days ago:

    At issue in the court-martial of Lt. Gordon James Klingenschmitt, chaplain for the United States Navy, is a name and the freedom to speak it. That name is Jesus. And, according to this week’s ruling, the freedom to speak it depends on the context.

    Before I could go through the metal detectors to get to the courtroom, a Navy official had already taken Jesus’ name in vain. No trial for that. No penalty. No problem. But use the name in reverence, in honor or in prayer, and you’ll find yourself looking in the face of a court-martial. Welcome to the criminalization of Christianity. […] […] The judge ruled that the chaplain’s freedom wasn’t really restricted since he was free to preach a sermon on “other” topics besides Jesus. Like, the measurements of the ark, for instance. Just don’t go quoting Bible verses from the New Testament of Jesus Christ and actually mention Jesus Christ.[…]  Read more at this link:

    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51979

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  4. It irks me that these muslims have the nerve to complain when we ask them to integrate and to start treating their women humanely. Worse, I hate to see our politicians apologise for statements that state a case clearly and correctly.

    It’s time we stopped worrying about hurting the muslim’s sensibilities. The truth is, they are hurting our sensibilities with their outdated religion and customs.

    I propose the following:

    1. That any muslim, or ANY refugee, who wishes to remain in Australia MUST speak English to a sufficient standard within two years. Anyone can learn English in that time.
    2. That they must attend compulsory classes to learn Australian history, social ethics, and legal obligations of Australian citizens.
    3. That they be encouraged to move away from their ghettos and integrate into Australian society by living next door to Australians.
    4. If they cannot speak English or learn how to integrate, the government should have the right to deport them back to where they came from. I see no benefit to having people in the country who are not willing to become Australians.

    These rules should be strictly enforced. If the muslims don’t like them, they are free to leave. No one asked them to come to Australia anyway.

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  5. I take exception to the headline you are using, “Marc Holt on Prime Minister of Australia could ignite racial violence…” Please either change it, or better yet, remove it.

    I am NOT advocating a racist approach to integrating Muslims into Australian society. My suggestions are aimed at ensuring Muslims DO INTEGRATE, that they become part of the country they have chosen to live in.

    The Greeks and Italians in the 1950’s and 60’s faced the same problems. The had to learn how to speak a new language and fit in with the customs and society of their chosen country. It wasn’t easy but they did it, enriching Australia immeasurably. While doing so, they retained their own customs and festivals, adding them to the cultural mix.

    Since then, Australia has welcomed large numbers of Asian immigrants and they, too, are integrating and adding to Australia’s cultural diversity.

    However, the Muslims present a whole different picture. First, Australia is governed by a secular government. Church and state are separate. By insisting on wearing the veil or the head scarf, the Muslims immediately instill a sense of separation in others. No Muslim country gives its citizens the freedoms Australia offers. Even the most liberal, Malaysia, still imposes a form of Islamic dress to separate them from their Chinese and Indian citizens. This, in turn, has stirred up racial hatreds that have spilled over into terrible violence at times. I have traveled extensively in Malaysia. Everywhere I went, the 3 races complained about the others. It was striking, because they live cheek-by-jowl, yet they have made no effort to integrate. Indians marry Indians, Malays marry Malays, Chinese marry Chinese. They all live in their own enclaves.

    Yet, just north of their country Thailand is a well integrated society, apart from the 3 southernmost Muslim provinces. Travel to the Muslim areas of Bangkok, and you will notice that their villages are invariably run-down and poor. Yes, the Thai villages upcountry are poor, but they are well kept and the Thais are generally happy. The Muslims present a completely different face. It is no wonder they are never happy! Their religion forces them to live for the next life, leaving them no time to make this one happy and prosperous.

    My point is, the Muslims currently in Australia have fled countries far worse than my two examples. They fled repressive, dictatorial regimes, looking for a better life. They will only find it if they fully integrate into Australian society. If they are not prepared to fit in, then they are going to be the source of friction and racial tension, perhaps even violence, in the future. Does Australia need that?

    Don’t shoot the messenger. Look honestly at the problem amongst you and you are on the way to a solution. My suggestions were a starting point. Perhaps they are not all practical, but they do lead the way. Think about it.

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  6. My title was written with a sense of irony. With the view that in a democratic country with a democratically elected Prime Minister, the backlash and reaction that came from such statements rests firmly within a culture of extremism.
    I am not saying that all Muslims are extemists at all and I am not saying that the Prime Minister should not have said what he said. I am just pointing out that the extreme muslim would bite at such statements and show their true colours.
    I agree with you Mr Holt 100%…. The ones that inicite racial violence are the ones that are mouthing off against democracy inside mosques. That is the point of my post.
    I am also a strong believer in the separtation of Church and state even though I am a Christian. I do not believe for one second that any man-made government will be perfect.
    If you want to know what an extremist thought like and how he became an extremist then go ask someone who was saved out of it. One such man, is Walid Shoebat he wrote a book called ‘Why I left Jihad’. He says this of his journey:

    As a young man, he became a member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, and participated in acts of terror and violence against Israel, and was later imprisoned in the Russian Compound, Jerusalem’s central prison for incitement and violence against Israel.
    After his release, he continued his life of violence and rioting in Bethlehem and the Temple Mount. After entering the U.S, he worked as a counselor for the Arab Student Organization at Loop College in Chicago and continued his anti-Israel activities.
    In 1993, Walid studied the Tanach (Jewish Bible) in a challenge to convert his wife to Islam. Six months later, after intense study, Walid realized that everything he had been taught about Jews was a lie. Convinced he was on the side of evil, he became an advocate for his former enemy.

    For more posts on Shoebat

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  7. Way to go Australia!!!!!!
    I am sick and tired of being told to except the Muslin Culture but many of them have such disreguard of others. If you live in a Muslin country YOU HAVE to live THEIR way or else!
    SO if they live in USA or AU or Canada. Germany etc, than they should live by those countries laws!
    I lived in Persia (Iran) before and after the Islam take over and Had to live by the New Rules and laws of the Islamics, even if I was a Persian Christian I still had to live as the Muslims did.
    I and My family chose not to, so we left!
    If they choose not to live by Australian Law, than Get out of Australia! and or any other place that they don’t want to live by the host-countries laws!
    Merci beaucoup! vive le Canada!

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  8. Marc Holt, your views actually make me feel physically ill. Your ideas about how our country should run sounds more like a dictatorship than a democracy.

    Ok, so Muslims will learn Australian history. What history will that be? The one John Howard likes where we ignore what we did to the Indigenous people of this country? The one where we wax lyrical about good old Aussie values (and what would they be).

    Greeks, Italians and Asians went through the same thing Muslims are going through now. Many of them were forced to integrate. I am part Greek, and my immediate family retains NONE of its Greek culture – something which saddens me. You will most likely find that those who do retain more of their culture still largely mix with other Greek or Italian people. And they are the ones who have enriched our society, not those who successfully integrated according to your terms.

    The main problem with your argument is that is completely based on generalisations and sweeping statements (and, I am sorry to say, racism). You claim that Muslims aren’t happy – which Muslims? The ones who are being spat on in the street? The ones who are being told to abandon their religion and way of life? Why should any group of people have to abandon their culture and sense of self, simply to ‘fit in’ with what our (hardly perfect) society deems normal?

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  9. My prayer is that Muslim’s find the real Jesus of the Bible. I hope that is the reason they abandon their religion — for the Truth that is found in Christ Jesus the Word who became flesh … that can only be understood completely in Word of God. The Old Testament Prophet’s testify to Christ’s Sonship of Father God, they testify to Christ’s Messiach promise that He fulfilled on the cross by dying and then by being resurrected again, our whole salvation depends on that.

    I pray that they find out that the Koranic Jesus is in no way the real Jesus and that they find and see that their Koranic Jesus is one who was not a saviour of mankind according to Mohummad because the Koran states that He did not die nor was he ressurected. So the Koranic Jesus denies their only hope of salvation offered in the only way it can be obtained — which is through the free gift and atonement obtained through the cross. The real Jesus is the only one that can offer them real salvation.

    The Jesus of the Koran is found not to be part of the triune God, being the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. The teaching of the Koranic Jesus according to John, Christ’s disciple, is that this teaching is from the spirit of Anti-Christ.

    Muslims need salvation along with anyone else who has not made Jesus their saviour and Lord. I will quote from the Koran where it denies Jesus was the Son of God and that the trinity is an abomination:

    “The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, he was no more than God’s apostle . . . Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for God is but one God. GOD FORBID THAT HE SHOULD HAVE A SON!” (4:171)

    “Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack…” (19:88-89)

    “They say: ‘God forbid that He Himself should beget a son!‘ ” (19:29-)

    “They say: ‘Praise be to God who has never begotten a son; who has no partner in His Kingdom . . .’ ” (17:111)

    “They say: “(Allah) hath begotten a son!” – Glory be to Him! He is self- sufficient! His are all things in the heavens and on earth! No warrant have ye for this! say ye about Allah what ye know not? Say: “Those who invent a lie against Allah will never prosper.” (10:68-69)

    The Islamic Jesus was never crucified and therefore did not rise from the dead: ‘And because of their saying (in boast), ‘We killed Messiah Jesus, son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah,’ — but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them the resemblance of Jesus was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not. (al-Nisaa’ 4:157-158).

    I will quote again from the bible What John says and then later Paul:

    1Jo 2:22-23 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also.

    ‘For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received; that Christ (Messiah) died for our sins according to the scriptures, and that he was buried and that he rose again on the third day according to the scriptures. … And if Messiah is not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain’. I Corinthians 15:3-4,14.

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  10. Why is it that no one can say anything bad about Islam without causing worldwide riots, yet Islamic leaders can say the foulest and most violent words imaginable against Jews and Christians?
    Australia will become an islamic state.
    There is no doubt of this – It will be achieved by :
    – apathy
    – multiculturalism
    – propaganda
    – political corrctness.

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  11. I have to be honest, I agree with the Austrailian Prime Minister. He spoke rationally and truthfully.

    He has a country to run and he has risked his own reputation by speaking the words that few will. Living in Britain I can confirm that it is ‘taboo’ to have an opinion. The feeling of isolation and insignificance for a Brit who has generations of family in this country is growing. It has almost got to a point where native British people feel they have no voice and also that they will be punished for simply saying how they feel.

    I am not a racist man by any means, in actual fact, I will not tolerate racism, however, I do believe that an objective opinion based on factual information should not be greeted with threats of violence or rioting.

    We are living in a strange time, where the risk of terrorism looms above us everyday. In light of this, countries should stand strong and proud in their values, sticking to what they believe in. That includes countries of Christianity,Islam etc. However, I am a strong believer that if you live in another country you should adopt their ways. Thats not to say their religion, but at least make a conscious effort to learn the language, abide the laws and believe in the country that you have made your home.

    We are all people, no more or no less in value. Beliefs and religion are there to ensure we live honest and worthy lives, not to cause wars, rioting and hatred between fellow man.

    I believe the point I am trying to make here is that we are all equal, man, woman, black or white. Surely we are eveloved enough as a species that we can speak simple and truthful words without fear of causing chaos and unrest. I only hope that the British Government will use this as an example and address the issues that are currently toppling the British way of life. Theres no need to have a war to fix a problem, sometimes, just listening to a opinion and trying to understand it is all it takes.

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  12. Could we borrow Mr Howard please as our country is on it’s knees (UK)?

    Racsim works both ways folks (and it has nothing to do with colour of skin, eyes, hair or whatever)

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  13. To Sarah

    Sarah…ALL the things you say about why should muslims have to alter their way of life etc….are EXACTLY what muslims are doing to christians in Muslim lands. THEY DEMAND that ANY foreigners (or other religions) CHANGE to suit the muslim culture.
    You say they are spat on?? Well…try being beheaded if you are a christian!! Many christians are beheaded in muslim lands, and beaten and imprisoned.

    You mention racism??? Islam is not a race…it is a RELIGION…. a religion that is determined to take over the world one day….it is doing so here in uk already!

    I assure you of one thing….people like you will not be beheaded……..at first…… but all your garbage about poor muslims….will only delay your beheading until they have no use for you.

    Wake up!!!… they want to take your country off you like they have taken my England!

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