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Emailing the Baptist Union… again!

In Angel Worship, Apostasy, Christianity, Dominionism, Emergent Church, Emerging Church, Gnosticism, New-Age, Personal, Philosophy & Religion, Religion, Theology, discernment, mysticism on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 at 7:50 am

I sent this email yesterday. I wonder if they will get back to me on this, or will they be silent once more???

I was just wondering where the Baptist Union stands on the current new wave movement of signs and wonders that started in Florida by a man called Todd Bentley.

I understand that this spiritual impartation is being encouraged by “******** **** Baptist Church” by Rev ***** ******.

I would just like to know if the Baptist Union is in complete agreement with the teachings of Bentley and his angels — namely the angel Emma and the eagle called swift.

Sincerely

Vee

By the way, this is personal because I have very close family members who are affiliated with this Church in some capacity.

  1. VEE,
    That is surprising to me that some in the baptist union might be falling for Todd Bentley’s circus freak show. When will the insanity end? This Lakeland thing is dividing families to be sure. My husband’s family support Lakeland and Todd. I am having a difficult time knowing how to handle it. Things are really tense when we get together.
    I sincerely pray the Baptist Union will take a Biblical stand and call a spade a spade. It is so sad and discouraging at times.

    Mary B 4 June 2008 at 12pm

  2. Yes it is discouraging…

    But we do know that we are to expect this in the last days. God sends even the elect a delusion so strong because they fail to love the Word and would prefer to live in the flesh and place experience over what the Word of God actually says.

    Vee

    livingjourney 4 June 2008 at 4pm

  3. Thanks Vee,
    Yes he sure is shaking his house.

    Mary B 4 June 2008 at 10pm

  4. I will let you all know in a new post when I hear from the Baptist Union on this.

    Vee

    livingjourney 5 June 2008 at 8am

  5. Excellent idea. The biblical responsibility of the elders of the church would be to warn the flock of wolves, however grown and revenue has blinded the eyes of most of these organizations. I will be watching for their response.

    boydmiller 5 June 2008 at 8pm

  6. I am a pentecostal, however my pastor does not belive in all this falling backward circus and says that it is a sign of the sad times and last days we are living in. I have been familiar with Todd Bently’s side show ciricus. It finally got through to me right when I was planing on going down to the revival and I was going to borrow money from my son to do it. I said, wait , I have to be objective then I looked up all of what they belived and it was sad and it is heresy of the grossest type. One of his mentors is Bob Jones, (defroked for telling staff woman to undress before him so they could stand naked before the Lord!) recieved little or no restoraton. Then their is Paul Cane, a homesexual and alcholic that gives false prophecies that have not come true and are not in line with the word of God. But the kicker is when Todd Bently said in a meeting that the Holy Ghost told him to kick a woman in the face and that way she would be healed. LOL… sadly and crying. This is blasphemy to say that God’s perfect and blessed Holy Spirit would tell a saint, an alleged healer, miracle worker, to Kick someone in the face. This is the work of seducing spirits that poor Todd and his mentors and staff have fallen under… And I do not doubt that some people are being healed in Florida One Woman came up to me in Wal Mart and declared that it was all of Jesus and that her friend recieved a miracle. READ REVELATION. The false prophets will have the abiltiy to perform lying works and miracles. They are willingly decevied and deceiving. Surely, the time of the tribulation is near… Gird up your loins for these are only the birth pangs… The elect shall not be decieved! Note: I had seen Todd on Patricia Kings and belived that I was healed of my arthritis and started leaping and jumping about the house and it did not last. While I was watching him I saw a flash withing my mind and the 666 of the devil went like in a black ticker tape through my mind with white 666 coming through. This was a warning from the Lord. Bently is of an Anti Christ Spirit. One can mention the name of Christ and be belived. Jesus said that many would come in his name saying “I am the Christ.” Though they point to Jesus their doctrine is upside down. It takes a humble and contrite spirit one that is acceptable to God, Faith that is given to them from the Father, and looking towards Jesus lastly to be healed. Where is the gospel of repentance and foot washing? Where is the humble and contrite spirit. Where are the weaping and tears for the sins we have committed? Where is the washing of the holy spirit that cleanses all iniquity away. Once their is an altar call after the cross and the gospel or reserection have been preached then healing can come forth like the noon day. Miracles still happen today? My brothers daughter was healed of a tumor behind her eye confirmed by x ray and confirmed that it disappeared after she was prayed for… God be praised he is the same yesterday, today and forever. He never stops healing the repentent! But not like the side show going on in Florida. It gets worse check out the New Mystics and people like Todd being blasted alledgedly by the Holy Spirit. One of the New Mystics had a clip run for u tube that showed him and his friends holding up something like a stick and pretending to smoke from it and called it baby jesus aquainting Jesus feeling to like being blown away on pot! In addition, I saw a clip of him saying he was main lining Jesus to get that holy spirit feeling. We do not walk by sight but by faith! I have felt the love and the peace of Christ and his everylasting joy in Church and sometimes at home but these freaks are blaspheming Jesus and building orphanges so they can put more people in bondage to these seducing spirits that are taking over the Church.

    Dave Richardson 11 June 2008 at 8am

  7. WOW Dave… thanks for your input.

    I have never heard of this clip that you mention by the New Mystics…

    One of the New Mystics had a clip run for u tube that showed him and his friends holding up something like a stick and pretending to smoke from it and called it baby jesus aquainting Jesus feeling to like being blown away on pot!

    Perhaps you could provide some links for researching these people?

    livingjourney 11 June 2008 at 10am

  8. [...] I have just finished reading my comments and someone brought up this guy called John Crowder from the New Mystics. I had never heard of him [...]

    John Oi-Oi-Oi Crowder - Another Prophet of Apostasy! « Living Journey 11 June 2008 at 5pm

  9. Living Journey,
    You have deleted good BIBLICAL information for your readers. Beware of God’s approval of Satan’s attacks on you personally for deleting facts. You grieve the Holy Spirit whenever you do what Saint David chose not to do as he had the opportunity to injure King Saul. READ YOUR BIBLE or suffer your Spiritual failure.
    Yes I am a Baptist that has read all of the entire K.J.V. Bible 5 times. When is the last time you personally witnessed to somebody. Backslider>>>>>talk to me online. You have my email address.

    Bobby Clements 10 August 2008 at 5am

  10. Living Journey,
    You will delete this but let it be known that you have problems and need prayer.

    Bobby Clements 10 August 2008 at 5am

  11. Maybe Todd Bentley can help you too. Watch one or two of his entire sermons and then tell me that you see the truth and have repented.

    Bobby Clements 10 August 2008 at 5am

  12. Delete this BLOG and open one that is encouraging for Evangelist Todd Bentley. Then God will let you know that he says “Well done good and faithful servant” to your heart.

    Bobby Clements 10 August 2008 at 5am

  13. The big talker that is a Pentecostal but does not believe in being slain by the Holy Spirit contradicts himself. He would also talk bad about Jesus if he saw him because Jesus had long hair, worked on Sundays (healing), etc. as the Jews told of him.

    Bobby Clements 10 August 2008 at 5am

  14. I have no intention in deleting this blog… it stays up!

    But you Mr Bobby Clements have been banned from MY blog!

    livingjourney 10 August 2008 at 1pm

  15. An open letter to Rick Joyner and C. Peter Wagner from Andrew Strom…

    LINK

    Dear Rick Joyner and C. Peter Wagner,

    I will do my utmost to avoid disrespect in this letter. But I cannot avoid the hard questions which must be asked.

    I hope my comments here are not construed as “arrogant”. This is certainly not my intent. But I’m sure you have heard the news by now that the tide has turned in what you call your “Civil War”. I’m sure you have heard that the Lakeland meetings have dwindled, and the “big tent” has been abandoned in favor of the 700-seat Ignite church once again. I’m sure you have heard that your man Todd Bentley’s meetings in England have been cancelled, and that respected leaders even within your own movements have found vast evidence of falsehoods, fraudulent claims, manipulation and hype of the most blatant kind. The news of it is worldwide. It is not just ABC Nightline. It is your own people saying these things.

    I’m sure you have heard the news that has even shocked and saddened me - that the British press is calling Bentley “A US child sex offender turned church minister who tries to cure cancer victims by kicking them” - and that 79% of Britons polled want to keep him out of the country. Where is the glory to Jesus in this? How could Todd even set foot in England under such a cloud?

    Sirs, if this really were a ‘Civil War’, aren’t you living in Gettysburg?

    Mr Wagner, I am sure you are aware that because of your open endorsement of Todd Bentley, numbers of your own ICA ‘apostles’ (some very well-known) are already planning an “alternative” network without all your ‘Dominionist’ trappings or NAR hierarchies.

    Sir, they are leaving. Are you sure you were right to endorse the Lakeland movement in the very face of your own apostles like that?

    Wasn’t this one of the most crucial tests of your leadership? Sir, if your discernment is such that you could get on a stage and openly endorse one of the most deceptive movements in the history of the church, then - with all due respect - should you really be heading up the apostles of the entire Charismatic world? Are you aware that you have greatly endangered God’s precious sheep all around the globe?

    And Mr Joyner, are you conscious of how terribly the Prophetic movement has deteriorated on your watch, sir? As the most influential ‘father’ in that movement, why have you stood by while the “New Mystics” have taken over - with their gold dust, their portals, their ‘orbs’, their drunken jerking, their strange “angel” encounters and ‘visualization’ techniques, etc? In fact, why have you actively encouraged and participated in these very things yourself?

    Isn’t it true that Bob Jones has been a big mentor for you in these things, just like he was for Todd Bentley? Wasn’t it Bob Jones who taught you how to “visualize” your way into the ‘Third Heaven’, Mr Joyner? Isn’t Bob Jones one of the major hidden influences behind your ministry? Where do you get your visions? How do you write your books? How can we ever again trust the “angels” that you see? Sir, what were you thinking - to openly endorse the “New Mystics” as you did with Todd Bentley? Did you not see that it could end so badly?

    We all know what Bob Jones said when he stood on the stage with Todd Bentley in front of the whole world:

    BOB: “I released my angels to him… this man from Canada asked for my angels; this Wind of Change is most powerful. Except for the arch angels, this ‘Winds of Change’, this is the most powerful angel…”

    BOB TO TODD BENTLEY: “As I watch you, you VIBRATE. You know there are two portals, clockwise and counter-clockwise. When you vibrate you close demonic vibration. Counter-clockwise vibration is demonic. The vibration is healing. Does it seem peculiar?” [He waves his hands]… “I’m releasing it to you.”

    A very basic question here: Is there anything even remotely biblical about any of this?

    Mr Joyner, since Bob Jones is your major mentor, and since you stood on the stage and openly endorsed that whole movement, I guess we have to assume that this is the kind of “Prophetic” that you now represent? Isn’t that fair to say, sir?

    And now I need to ask some questions of my colleagues overseas:

    Isn’t it true, my friends, that almost every deceptive fad or heresy of the last 25 years has come out of North America? (ie. The USA and Canada)? And hasn’t it been growing worse and worse?

    When I travel to Africa I find deadly “Prosperity” teaching rampant in the most poverty-stricken of nations. When I travel to Europe I find them bombarded with flakey ‘prophets’ from the States. When I travel to Australia I find them enthralled with ‘Mega-church-Itis’ imported from the USA. In every way, North America has become a source of utter pollution, sickness and compromise -both in the church and the world. And I believe God wants to put an end to it.

    Personally I love Americans. I lived there for four years, and I have many dear friends in that part of the world. But I do not believe that God is going to allow this pollution to spread any longer.

    Why do leaders in Australia or Europe think that their movements must be led by Americans? What nation is most of this pollution coming from? Why do African leaders allow sick money-grubbing telecasts from the USA to be beamed to their people via satellite? Why are any of us allowing any of this garbage? When are we going to stand up and cry, “ENOUGH”? When are we going to cut off this pollution - not just for ourselves - but for the sake of God’s precious sheep? Why should we be led by America if they are leading us into deception?

    Should North America even be allowed to lead the worldwide church any more?

    And finally, let me return to Mr Joyner - who once intimated that it is time to “drive” out those who want to “test the spirits” in the church. Sir, let me say to you that indeed the time has come to drive a particular spirit out. It is the spirit of rampant “Charis-mania”. And sir, I have to say with all due respect, that your very own movement strikes me as the primest of prime places in which to start.

    God bless you all.
    Andrew Strom.

    livingjourney 10 August 2008 at 4pm

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