Heb 13:4 Let marriage be kept honorable in every way, and the marriage bed undefiled. For God will judge those who commit sexual sins, especially those who commit adultery.

The marriage of a second wife, after the death of the first, is nowhere spoken of in the Scriptures as wrong. The marriage of a widow to a second husband is expressly declared to be proper 1Co_7:39; and it is not unfair to infer from that permission that it is equally lawful and proper for man to marry the second time. But if it is lawful for any man it is right for a minister of the gospel. No reason can he assigned against such marriages in his case, which would not be equally valid in any other. Marriage is as honorable for a minister of the gospel as for any other man. [Barnes]

The apostle’s meaning appears to be this: that he should not be a man who has divorced his wife and married another; nor one that has two wives at a time. [Clarke]

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Jason

Um, excuse me. Pastor Hagee I believe back in 1975 left his wife and children for a woman in his church. Adultry. Then he divorced his wife and married his lover. Now what did Jesus say about divorce and remarriage? The only reason you can get divorced is for adultry (we have this here) and you can not get remarried until your former spouse dies. His ex-wife was still alive when he got remarried. Hello! What Bible are you people reading?!?

Jason

just keep PRAYING and STUDYING your Bible. (2 TIm.2)

Absolutely!

Thanks for the understanding about the DD thing. And you are right DD is not my style at all.

You are right. I KNOW that there is much we agree on. That’s one reason I read and enjoy your blog.

I will comment further but I am at work and it has been a hectic last couple of days. I want to respond thoughtfully and prayerfully.

Blessings,
Kristee

He is not nor does he deny the power of the cross.

He does if he doesn’t preach it to those in prison and who are dead in their sin. He does if he says and writes that Jesus never came to the Jews as Messiah in word or deed. The very fact that Jesus is in His first coming as Messia ben Yosef makes Him the suffering servant on the cross, the one who came to the cross to offer Grace and forgiveness. That is the power of the cross the fact that He took upon Himself the sin of mankind. Grace and forgiveness cannot be found outside of this act of sacrifice.

However, it is not his calling to shove this down their throats.

Funny how you put that, I hope you don’t assume that everyone proclaiming the Name above all Names as shoving it down their throats? Of course you have to allow the Holy Spirit to prompt and pray that you are given the opportunity to witness to people Jew and non-Jew alike. However it should be every Christians calling to go and proclaim the gospel to every nation, to the Jew first then to the Gentile.

This is scriptural…

Mar 16:15 And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world and preach the gospel to every creature.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

How much clearer can this be?

How would Hagee explain the following verses if he admits that Jesus did not come as Messiah to the Jews in word or in deed?

So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.” Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me.” (John 10:24-25)

The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things.”
Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He (John 4:25-26).”

I have not even began to touch on his being in bed with TBN and how he is also a Word Faith Movement sympathiser.

You have said that you too were shocked when you saw the video…. that is to be expected, as Hagee himself says that his book will shake Christian Theology. He certainly has done that!!!…

Well, you along with the rest of the blogosphere are shocked.

People are drawing a line in the sand when it comes to his teaching it seems.

He came to them as Messiah ben Yosef.

Yes you are absolutely right when you say this. I understand this, that is why I posted the link to Yakov Prasch’s ‘One Messiah Two Comings‘ article. This article really expounds on this biblical concept very well.

It explains the Jewish Midrashim that was used and should be used today within the church, which I personally think is a better way to reach Jews with their own understanding of typology and recapitulated historical pattern with it’s ultimate fulfilment. That Midrash article is something that is sound and I think that you would enjoy it.

But to say that Christ did not come as their Messiah in His first coming does not compute to me. Why was it then that the early Church was Jewish and it was they that had recognised Messiah Ben Yosef? The suffering servant. If He wasn’t the Jewish Messiah according to OT, then how on earth do we as Christians even recognise Him to be the Christ according to the OT?

It’s time the church puts down their own agendas and get on board with the God of Israel and His agenda

God’s agenda is to bring His people Israel (and all the nations), back to Himself, we both agree with that. But this can only be done through Christ Jesus - through His suffering servant role. The first time He came he brought peace for all those who believed in His name. The second time He comes He will bring a sword and judgement for all those who did not accept Him as Messiah.

The Jewish Nation’s continued rejection of the Messiah is not the fault of Pastor Hagee. Rather the CHURCH who has abused the Jewish people and shoved a gentile Jesus at them.

I agree with that too. But I think that Yakov Prasch has noted a very real concern when he says in an article called ‘Seduction of the Hebrew Roots Movement‘ where he speaks of the extreme Hebrew roots movement where they are seduced into failing to spread the gospel of Christ, which is something that Hagee is guilty of when he says that Jesus is not the Messiah for the Jews or that Jesus refused by word and deed to claim to be the Messiah and that Jesus did not come to earth to be the Messiah. There are many groups today that help Jews but still remain faithful to spreading the gospel who are not going to be scared or ashamed of the Name above all Names and who do not shove a gentile Jesus down the throats of Jews….

The Christian Zionist Movement is not a monolith. There are good factions, ones that do some good but no harm, and others that are simply dead wrong.

Some are “over the top” about Israel and the Jews, often focusing on every-thing except the Messiah of the Jews or His command that we bring His message of salvation to His ancient people. Such Christian Zionist groups are as unbalanced and unscriptural on one extreme as are the replacementists denying the prophetic plan of God for Israel and the Jews on the other.

In order to justify not witnessing to Jewish people, these groups tend to pervert biblical passages such as Romans 10:14 and Isaiah 40:1-9.

They falsely claim that they can fulfill the church’s mission to Israel and the Jews with immigration programs, political and social programs, and inter-faith dialogue. This is not to suggest all of those involved in these organizations are intentional deceivers. On the contrary, while some of their leaders are plainly money grabbing heretics, many sincere people are misled into joining and supporting these deceptions.

Neither is it to suggest that all of what they do is wrong. The problem is that in trying to communicate Christian love to Israel to undo the damage done by Christian anti-Semitism, they leave out Christ and the whole purpose of God - they preach a Christless social gospel. The church must both proclaim God’s purpose in returning the Jews to their ancient land and the way of salvation. Some ministries indeed do both. Moriel endorses Church’s Ministry Among the Jews, Jews For Jesus, the Messianic Testimony, Chosen People Ministries, Ariel, the Lausanne Consultation On Jewish Evangelism, the Danish and Norwegian Missions To Israel, and Christian Witness To Israel, but warn against such deceptions as Bridges For Peace, Wings Of Eagles, the Ebenezer Fund, Christian Action For Israel, and above all the International Christian Embassy. Once examined biblically such agencies are deceptions and not of God.

These are the words from a person whose….

…family is a combination of Roman Catholic and Jewish (in his youth he was forced to attend a Catholic school, but also attended the Jewish Community Centre). Jacob’s wife Pavia, also from a science background, is a Romanian born Israeli Jewish believer who is the daughter of holocaust survivors.

His two children were both born in Israel, while at the moment his son is serving in the IDF.

And he makes four very important points when he says..

Moriel has long urged the Body of Christ to rediscover the Hebrew root of its faith for four reasons.

The first is that the destiny of the church is bound up with God’s prophetic plan for the future of Israel and the Jews.

The second is that Christians need to evangelize the Jewish people, in recognition of the fact they remain the eternal people of God by covenant relationship and that the plan of God for the salvation of the nations is bound up with His plan for the salvation of Israel.

The third is that we need to understand the scriptures in their original Judaic context. We advocate that Christians familiarize themselves with the works of those who have understood this, from Alfred Edersheim to Arnold Fruchtenbaum. We have also tried to reacquaint the church with the lost art of Jewish hermeneutics in terms of New Testament uses of Midrash, and the illustrative Hebraic models of typology and allegory.

Fourth, the church needs to learn from Israel’s history and not repeat the same kind of mistakes as Israel. Israel’s history was written for our instruction. The church has replayed the mistakes of Israel and sometimes done worse.

Obviously from what we have both posted here we agree on much. But I really have a hard time with the matter of saying that Christ in His first coming was not the Messiah for the Jewish people, especially when you consider that the earliest church was overwhelmingly Jewish.