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		<title>By: livingjourney</title>
		<link>http://livingjourney.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/prophetic-children/#comment-15780</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 03:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From some of &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNLMuijRyU&#38;mode=related&#38;search=" rel="nofollow"&gt;the footage&lt;/a&gt; I have seen of Becky Fisher and her leading these children into the practices of the so called Toronto Blessing which is based in experiential christianity and is over seen by so called &lt;a href="http://kidsinministry.com/Articles.Teachings/ProphetsSpeak.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;apostolic prophets&lt;/a&gt; , I  have major concerns that these children are being led in a way that &lt;a href="http://www.inplainsite.org/html/kundalini.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;is mystic and has more to do with eastern mysticism that biblical christianity&lt;/a&gt;. This New Apostolic Reformation which is being pushed onto the so called'&lt;a href="http://signofjonah.wordpress.com/2007/03/29/suffer-the-little-children/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Samuel Generation&lt;/a&gt;' by the way of the new prophets, &lt;a href="http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac14.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Kim Clement&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.apologeticsindex.org/j19.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Cindy Jacob&lt;/a&gt; being just two of them, are teaching these kids &lt;a href="http://www.letusreason.org/Latrain21.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;something that has no biblical basis; this movement has been examined &lt;/a&gt; and is found to fall short of biblical christianity by many people (and I am not the only lone voice who is very concerned about this so called movement of God). Many people have studied this movement and have found it to be based in experience rather than sound biblical teaching. It is rather New Age dressed up in christian garb. 



I know that there are many who have accepted this move as a move from God and they will disagree with me as far as the 'Toronto Blessing' is concerned.  That is their right. But I know many people who have come out of that  (including myself) and have examined it against scripture and have found it to be an un-scriptural practice and a dangerous one that is leading the Church into the New Age.


See....
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=97NFNXk8aFc" rel="nofollow"&gt;Warriors For Jesus: Jesus Camp film causes controversy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From some of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNLMuijRyU&amp;mode=related&amp;search=" rel="nofollow">the footage</a> I have seen of Becky Fisher and her leading these children into the practices of the so called Toronto Blessing which is based in experiential christianity and is over seen by so called <a href="http://kidsinministry.com/Articles.Teachings/ProphetsSpeak.html" rel="nofollow">apostolic prophets</a> , I  have major concerns that these children are being led in a way that <a href="http://www.inplainsite.org/html/kundalini.html" rel="nofollow">is mystic and has more to do with eastern mysticism that biblical christianity</a>. This New Apostolic Reformation which is being pushed onto the so called&#8217;<a href="http://signofjonah.wordpress.com/2007/03/29/suffer-the-little-children/" rel="nofollow">Samuel Generation</a>&#8216; by the way of the new prophets, <a href="http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac14.htm" rel="nofollow">Kim Clement</a> and <a href="http://www.apologeticsindex.org/j19.html" rel="nofollow">Cindy Jacob</a> being just two of them, are teaching these kids <a href="http://www.letusreason.org/Latrain21.htm" rel="nofollow">something that has no biblical basis; this movement has been examined </a> and is found to fall short of biblical christianity by many people (and I am not the only lone voice who is very concerned about this so called movement of God). Many people have studied this movement and have found it to be based in experience rather than sound biblical teaching. It is rather New Age dressed up in christian garb. </p>
<p>I know that there are many who have accepted this move as a move from God and they will disagree with me as far as the &#8216;Toronto Blessing&#8217; is concerned.  That is their right. But I know many people who have come out of that  (including myself) and have examined it against scripture and have found it to be an un-scriptural practice and a dangerous one that is leading the Church into the New Age.</p>
<p>See&#8230;.<br />
<strong><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=97NFNXk8aFc" rel="nofollow">Warriors For Jesus: Jesus Camp film causes controversy</a></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://livingjourney.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/prophetic-children/#comment-15731</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm afraid you totally missed the point back in May when you wrote about Becky Fisher and the parents reported their daughter could "communicate with animals and with the dead."  The parents asked Becky if she could be an "Indigo Child."

The parents were, of course, referring to a concept embraced by certain New Age and occult groups. They want their children to be open to and respond to "spirits."  Unlike many Christians, these deceived people DO understand that children are spiritual beings who are not yet closed to spiritual things because of intellectualism and "leaning on their own understanding."

What these New Age people do NOT understand is their children are connecting and responding to demonic spirits.  Demons in "disguises" of beauty and light.

Then, you included information about the "indigo child" and occult practices. You connected Becky Fisher and Kids in Ministry International with these New Age "Indigo Child" proponents.

You totally misunderstood Becky Fisher and Kids in Ministry.
KIMI teaches:
Children are spiritual people. God made them that way because HE is spirit.
They respond and are open to spiritual things.
God's Holy Spirit is reaching children. The enemy is also.
Christians must understand that children really do hear the Holy Spirit (or, in the case of some children, hear demonic spirits). They really do see angels and have visions...In their own, child-like, innocent way.
Becky was warning the Church to guide and teach and provide sound, biblical foundations for children so their open, sweet, innocent spirits cannot be deceived and misled by the enemy (remember he was described as "beautiful" and like and "angel of light."

So...Becky and Kids in Ministry International tells people to teach children sound, biblical foundations for understanding, hearing, and responding to God's Holy Spirit.  She was NOT saying that any Christian should embrace the concept of Indigo Children!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid you totally missed the point back in May when you wrote about Becky Fisher and the parents reported their daughter could &#8220;communicate with animals and with the dead.&#8221;  The parents asked Becky if she could be an &#8220;Indigo Child.&#8221;</p>
<p>The parents were, of course, referring to a concept embraced by certain New Age and occult groups. They want their children to be open to and respond to &#8220;spirits.&#8221;  Unlike many Christians, these deceived people DO understand that children are spiritual beings who are not yet closed to spiritual things because of intellectualism and &#8220;leaning on their own understanding.&#8221;</p>
<p>What these New Age people do NOT understand is their children are connecting and responding to demonic spirits.  Demons in &#8220;disguises&#8221; of beauty and light.</p>
<p>Then, you included information about the &#8220;indigo child&#8221; and occult practices. You connected Becky Fisher and Kids in Ministry International with these New Age &#8220;Indigo Child&#8221; proponents.</p>
<p>You totally misunderstood Becky Fisher and Kids in Ministry.<br />
KIMI teaches:<br />
Children are spiritual people. God made them that way because HE is spirit.<br />
They respond and are open to spiritual things.<br />
God&#8217;s Holy Spirit is reaching children. The enemy is also.<br />
Christians must understand that children really do hear the Holy Spirit (or, in the case of some children, hear demonic spirits). They really do see angels and have visions&#8230;In their own, child-like, innocent way.<br />
Becky was warning the Church to guide and teach and provide sound, biblical foundations for children so their open, sweet, innocent spirits cannot be deceived and misled by the enemy (remember he was described as &#8220;beautiful&#8221; and like and &#8220;angel of light.&#8221;</p>
<p>So&#8230;Becky and Kids in Ministry International tells people to teach children sound, biblical foundations for understanding, hearing, and responding to God&#8217;s Holy Spirit.  She was NOT saying that any Christian should embrace the concept of Indigo Children!</p>
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		<title>By: livingjourney</title>
		<link>http://livingjourney.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/prophetic-children/#comment-14196</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea about a folk duo called Indigo Girls!

I have never heard of them.

Apparently a lot of these Indigo Children have been born to mainly New Age parents with some very pagan ideas.

I was just pointing out that the Indigo Children have been spoken about within Chrisitan circles as a possible generation that is more atuned to the spiritual realm than other children.   Almost believing that there is a super spiritual generation being born today.

Sites like 'Kids in Ministry' who are closely linked to 'The New Apostolic Movement' believe that these children could possibly be used by God if given the right direction.  This is a wrong thing to do.  That is like saying to a medium that if they come to a Christ like faith (and I use that term loosly), Jesus may still use the gift that He has given you.  

I don't believe that this is a biblical way to do things.  

The closest you get to using a medium in the bible is in 

1Sa 28:7  Then Saul said to his servants, "Seek out for me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her." And his servants said to him, "Behold, there is a medium at En-dor." 

Saul did this because he could not get an answer from the Lord. Saul was forsaken by God He tries to seek direction from God, but obtains no answer. He has now neither conscience nor faith.

Is there a lesson here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea about a folk duo called Indigo Girls!</p>
<p>I have never heard of them.</p>
<p>Apparently a lot of these Indigo Children have been born to mainly New Age parents with some very pagan ideas.</p>
<p>I was just pointing out that the Indigo Children have been spoken about within Chrisitan circles as a possible generation that is more atuned to the spiritual realm than other children.   Almost believing that there is a super spiritual generation being born today.</p>
<p>Sites like &#8216;Kids in Ministry&#8217; who are closely linked to &#8216;The New Apostolic Movement&#8217; believe that these children could possibly be used by God if given the right direction.  This is a wrong thing to do.  That is like saying to a medium that if they come to a Christ like faith (and I use that term loosly), Jesus may still use the gift that He has given you.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that this is a biblical way to do things.  </p>
<p>The closest you get to using a medium in the bible is in </p>
<p>1Sa 28:7  Then Saul said to his servants, &#8220;Seek out for me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her.&#8221; And his servants said to him, &#8220;Behold, there is a medium at En-dor.&#8221; </p>
<p>Saul did this because he could not get an answer from the Lord. Saul was forsaken by God He tries to seek direction from God, but obtains no answer. He has now neither conscience nor faith.</p>
<p>Is there a lesson here!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://livingjourney.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/prophetic-children/#comment-14185</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys,

Are the "New Indigo Children" affiliated in any way with the lesbian, neo-commie folk duo the Indigo Girls?  

Mark Jr - you may want to check this possible connection out....

Peace,
Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys,</p>
<p>Are the &#8220;New Indigo Children&#8221; affiliated in any way with the lesbian, neo-commie folk duo the Indigo Girls?  </p>
<p>Mark Jr - you may want to check this possible connection out&#8230;.</p>
<p>Peace,<br />
Rob</p>
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		<title>By: iseeitdifferently</title>
		<link>http://livingjourney.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/prophetic-children/#comment-10876</link>
		<dc:creator>iseeitdifferently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 01:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You see?  That (Sara) makes me a lot more inclined to believe your story.  It didn't get spooked or hyped.  It happened, you were innocent little girls who saw something real.

I have no negative "check in the gut" about your story and it isn't outside of the perameters of scripture...

I haven't checked out your blog yet, but have you written a little more in depth about that experience you just described?  I'd love to hear it, or reprint it on my blog....with your permission of course.

Wow.  That's all I can say.
LJ, I like how you pointed out what Toto ended up doing!  How ironic indeed...the Holy Spirit HAS pulled away the curtain of this false movement and those behind it have been telling us for a few years to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, but to get our eye's on the "Wizard".  In other words, don't pay attention to exposed lies and deceptions, just keep focuse on your own idea of who God is (as false as it may be). 

Oy vey...
mark jr.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see?  That (Sara) makes me a lot more inclined to believe your story.  It didn&#8217;t get spooked or hyped.  It happened, you were innocent little girls who saw something real.</p>
<p>I have no negative &#8220;check in the gut&#8221; about your story and it isn&#8217;t outside of the perameters of scripture&#8230;</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t checked out your blog yet, but have you written a little more in depth about that experience you just described?  I&#8217;d love to hear it, or reprint it on my blog&#8230;.with your permission of course.</p>
<p>Wow.  That&#8217;s all I can say.<br />
LJ, I like how you pointed out what Toto ended up doing!  How ironic indeed&#8230;the Holy Spirit HAS pulled away the curtain of this false movement and those behind it have been telling us for a few years to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, but to get our eye&#8217;s on the &#8220;Wizard&#8221;.  In other words, don&#8217;t pay attention to exposed lies and deceptions, just keep focuse on your own idea of who God is (as false as it may be). </p>
<p>Oy vey&#8230;<br />
mark jr.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://livingjourney.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/prophetic-children/#comment-10825</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 10:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn't even watch the entire video,  it gave me goosebumps - and not of the nice kind. 
You know, when I was little (around 3) my sister and I saw an angel, I still remember it now. My parents didn't get all pedantic about it, they didn't decide we were prophets. They said we were very lucky that God was protecting us with his Angels all the time, and left it at that. I grew up with that feeling of being protected and safe by Angels. The most terrified I have ever been was in my old church (you know the one V, but for others it was styled on the Toronto blessing type thing), while a group of people prayed for me. They thought I was demon possessed because I suddenly started screaming - I was screaming because I was suddenly overwhelmed with a feeling of terror, and felt like I was being attacked by something.  I was only 14 or 15 at the time, and they put that fear into me. I worry for the children on that video that they will look back with the same types of memories that I have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t even watch the entire video,  it gave me goosebumps - and not of the nice kind.<br />
You know, when I was little (around 3) my sister and I saw an angel, I still remember it now. My parents didn&#8217;t get all pedantic about it, they didn&#8217;t decide we were prophets. They said we were very lucky that God was protecting us with his Angels all the time, and left it at that. I grew up with that feeling of being protected and safe by Angels. The most terrified I have ever been was in my old church (you know the one V, but for others it was styled on the Toronto blessing type thing), while a group of people prayed for me. They thought I was demon possessed because I suddenly started screaming - I was screaming because I was suddenly overwhelmed with a feeling of terror, and felt like I was being attacked by something.  I was only 14 or 15 at the time, and they put that fear into me. I worry for the children on that video that they will look back with the same types of memories that I have.</p>
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		<title>By: livingjourney</title>
		<link>http://livingjourney.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/prophetic-children/#comment-10807</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 01:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of irony.

I remember seeing a video of the "Toronto Thing" and one lady was saying that she had a prophecy given to her about this move of God, she was all for this move and was sure that it was a good thing.

Anyway... the prophecy was of 'The Wizard of Oz' and how the Holy Spirit was Toto the dog, leading them on the path toward the Wizard who was God a symbol of God.

Ha...   now didn't toto reveal the truth behind the veil, that the wizard was no wizard at all, but a FAKE!!!!

Now there's irony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of irony.</p>
<p>I remember seeing a video of the &#8220;Toronto Thing&#8221; and one lady was saying that she had a prophecy given to her about this move of God, she was all for this move and was sure that it was a good thing.</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230; the prophecy was of &#8216;The Wizard of Oz&#8217; and how the Holy Spirit was Toto the dog, leading them on the path toward the Wizard who was God a symbol of God.</p>
<p>Ha&#8230;   now didn&#8217;t toto reveal the truth behind the veil, that the wizard was no wizard at all, but a FAKE!!!!</p>
<p>Now there&#8217;s irony.</p>
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		<title>By: livingjourney</title>
		<link>http://livingjourney.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/prophetic-children/#comment-10805</link>
		<dc:creator>livingjourney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 00:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Godly irony yeah.... I see it a lot lately.  

We must be brought to our knees in prayer.  God is certainly judging His house, is He not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Godly irony yeah&#8230;. I see it a lot lately.  </p>
<p>We must be brought to our knees in prayer.  God is certainly judging His house, is He not?</p>
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		<title>By: iseeitdifferently</title>
		<link>http://livingjourney.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/prophetic-children/#comment-10779</link>
		<dc:creator>iseeitdifferently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 15:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sick.

Jesus had some strong words for people who make children stumble.  I know those words may have been an allusion to young believers, but there's no doubt in my mind that children were definitely included in His statements.

What an insult to Almighty God!!  Sickening.  I'm seriously getting more and more angry as I sit here.  How can you do this to children?  
God have mercy on these unknowing little ones and keep your hand on them and bring them out of this lie!

This is the occult with christianese cloaked over it.  

You know what kills me the most?  The church for a long time has been alot like a fat, blind and discernment lacking Eli, full of compromise and not dealing with sin in the House of God or his own house (same people involved).  God did raise Samuel in that atmosphere and kept His hand on him and made him an awesome prophet, despite his upbringing. 

I have met a few folks here and there over the last ten years who came up in charismatic foolishness (as I did) and have come out of it by the hand of God much the same way as Samuel.  What I'm saying is that there is legitimate truth to a "Samuel company" being watched over by God because of the state of the Eli church, so to speak.  Oddly enough, this "prophetic" movement is so soft soap on sin and blind, without discernment that IT is Eli and doesn't even know it!!! 

Godly irony is indeed the ultimate kind.

mark jr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sick.</p>
<p>Jesus had some strong words for people who make children stumble.  I know those words may have been an allusion to young believers, but there&#8217;s no doubt in my mind that children were definitely included in His statements.</p>
<p>What an insult to Almighty God!!  Sickening.  I&#8217;m seriously getting more and more angry as I sit here.  How can you do this to children?<br />
God have mercy on these unknowing little ones and keep your hand on them and bring them out of this lie!</p>
<p>This is the occult with christianese cloaked over it.  </p>
<p>You know what kills me the most?  The church for a long time has been alot like a fat, blind and discernment lacking Eli, full of compromise and not dealing with sin in the House of God or his own house (same people involved).  God did raise Samuel in that atmosphere and kept His hand on him and made him an awesome prophet, despite his upbringing. </p>
<p>I have met a few folks here and there over the last ten years who came up in charismatic foolishness (as I did) and have come out of it by the hand of God much the same way as Samuel.  What I&#8217;m saying is that there is legitimate truth to a &#8220;Samuel company&#8221; being watched over by God because of the state of the Eli church, so to speak.  Oddly enough, this &#8220;prophetic&#8221; movement is so soft soap on sin and blind, without discernment that IT is Eli and doesn&#8217;t even know it!!! </p>
<p>Godly irony is indeed the ultimate kind.</p>
<p>mark jr.</p>
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		<title>By: livingjourney</title>
		<link>http://livingjourney.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/prophetic-children/#comment-10645</link>
		<dc:creator>livingjourney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 08:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh these crystal children will reflect fear back...



&lt;blockquote&gt;Much the way that Indigo children have no reference for guilt, the Children of Crystal Vibration have no reference for the lower emotion of fear. Being extremely powerful and emotionally empathic, if they experience an overload of fear from those around them they can actually reflect it back amplifying it in the process. That is one of the reasons the Group says we are currently going through global processes (terrorism) that will help us deal with our fears as a collective. &lt;/blockquote&gt;



the above take from Get ready for the Crystal Children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh these crystal children will reflect fear back&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>Much the way that Indigo children have no reference for guilt, the Children of Crystal Vibration have no reference for the lower emotion of fear. Being extremely powerful and emotionally empathic, if they experience an overload of fear from those around them they can actually reflect it back amplifying it in the process. That is one of the reasons the Group says we are currently going through global processes (terrorism) that will help us deal with our fears as a collective. </p></blockquote>
<p>the above take from Get ready for the Crystal Children.</p>
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