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The World Council of Churches and their closed door dialogues!!!

Posted in Christianity, Emerging Church, News, Political/Christian, Theology by livingjourney on May 15th, 2006

Yahoo news: ATHENS, Greece -

The Vatican and the world's largest alliance of Christian churches plan to seek a common code for religious conversions, a leader of the effort said Wednesday. The groups also will open contacts with Islam and other faiths to study ways to avoid conflicts.

Envoys from the Vatican's office on interreligious dialogue and the Geneva-based WCC — which includes more than 350 mainline Protestant, Orthodox and related churches — are scheduled to open a four-day conference Friday near Rome to sketch out the broad outlines toward an eventual"code of conduct" on Christian conversions. The document could take at least three years to research and draft.

Members of other faiths, including Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims, also plan to attend the meeting in Velletri, about 25 miles southeast of Rome.

The biggest challenges to the project will be highlighted by who will be absent: Pentecostal and evangelical-style congregations that often lead the drive for conversions around the world and represent the fastest-growing bloc in Christianity.

The WCC maintains links with some groups, including the 50 million-member Assemblies of God churches and the World Evangelical Alliance. Ucko said leaders hope to use the contacts to talk more with "the most zealous groups to try to find a common voice."

The details of the conversion code will take shape in the coming years, said Ucko, but it will explore "the dos and don'ts" of trying to spread Christianity among other faiths — including places in the Muslim world where conversion from Islam is a punishable offense.

Such question stook a global stage earlier this year with the arrest of Abdul Raman, a Christian convert from Islam who faced a possible death sentence in Afghanistan before the charges were dropped in March. Rahman ultimately was granted asylum in Italy, while the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom added Afghanistan to its "watch list."

The WCC represents more than 500 million Christians worldwide. The Roman Catholic Church, with about 1.1 billion members, is not a WCC member, but cooperates closely on many levels. @Christianitytoday.com

Ok, I find the above very interesting indeed. Firstly, it is the Vatican that is pushing for interreligious dialogue — there's that word again dialogue/conversation, it is a favourite buzz word floating around inside the emergent church. Rev. Ucko says that the biggest challenges to this open interfaith dialogue will be highlighted by those who are absent from such a meeting. Really, a challenge hey! Maybe the WCC and the Vatican is going to be putting the big squeeze on those who won't compromise the Word of God for a false unity pushed by the humanitarians and advocates of the social gospel. Of course the WCC and the Vatican are VERY interested in who is not going to bow down before a social gospel in the name of peace and tolerance, the fundamentalists will be outcasts and will not be interested in a so called code of conduct concerning Christian conversions.

But what I am more interested in, is this –' who will be there?' Will any of the leaders from the emergent church be attending. Will you hear the McLaren's and the Campolo's non offensive gospel being echoed behind the closed doors at Lariano Rome.

The first of three closed-door meetings was to run May 12-16 in Lariano, a small town south of Rome. The three-year joint project is titled "Interreligious Reflection on Conversion: From Controversy to a Shared Code of Conduct."

Question: "What leaders of the World Evangelical Alliance will be used to try and convince the zealous groups to find the common voice?" I would be very interested in who goes to this meeting. If anyone has more information, please comment and let me know!!! But why is the Vatican so interested, it isn't even a member of the WCC!!

Now since Vatican 2 the Catholic Church has changed its views on where the truth can be found. In the "Dogmatic Constitution on the Church by Lumen Gentium the chapter called "The Mystery of the Church" 1964. It states this:

This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him, (13*) although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward catholic unity.

Just as Christ carried out the work of redemption in poverty and persecution, so the Church is called to follow the same route that it might communicate the fruits of salvation to men.

Doesn't the above just sound like a social gospel to you. Christ carried out the work of redemption in poverty and persecution!!! Not only that, but apparently there are many elements of truth and sanctification found outside the catholic church; perhaps an interfaith social gospel is the way towards religious unity and the all 'encompassing peace on earth'. Sound familiar! I will be doing a post on the implications of the "Social Gospel" soon, but it will take me awhile to throw it all together. Just watch this space! Social Gospel post coming soon.

Here is just an excerpt from the WCC website and its interfaith page:

During the last few decades, questions about religious and cultural pluralism have attracted renewed interest in the churches. Everywhere there is a fresh sense of urgency to build creative relationships between peoples of differing faiths. As interest in dialogue has grown, so has its actual practice, enabling various religious communities to understand one another better and to work more closely together. Here are but a few examples:

People engaged in dialogue have felt their own faith challenged and deepened by the new dimensions of religious life which they have observed, and many find in interreligious encounter a new impetus for doing theology and reviving spirituality. Communities in dialogue function as the leaven in the larger community, facilitating the creation of a society transcending religious barriers.

We stand at the historic moment when the Christian theological tradition must take full account of the experiences of those who have been living for centuries in religiously plural societies, as well as of the convictions of those who are newly stimulated by the broadening religious plurality of their surroundings. Our experience in dialogue suggests strongly that many "classical" Christian theological presuppositions and convictions need to be informed and challenged afresh by the realities of our times.

Here believers attempt to meet each other, as it were, in the "cave of the heart". They expose themselves to each other's spiritual and worship life. Often such dialogues take the form of participating in the prayer or mediation practices of others.

I can hear the secret message of McLaren loud and clear can't you??? Dialogues take the form of participating in the prayer or meditation practices of others!!! …..WOW!!! I just had to repeat that because that statement is exactly what we are hearing from the leaders of the emergent church, is it not? I will just leave you with one scripture today, it is very poignant for the church body today.

2Co 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership does righteousness have with lawlessness? And what fellowship does light have with darkness? ,

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  1. carla said, on May 15th, 2006 at 1:48 pm

    Right on…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_gospel
    It’s paving the way for you know who…

  2. livingjourney said, on May 15th, 2006 at 1:51 pm

    Yep… good old wikipedia.. I am slowly writing a post on the social gospel, and have used the above link.

    Gotta love those links.

    Update:  Here is the post as promised

    The Social Gospel and its secret agenda! 

  3. [...] The Catholic church has been pushing for ecumenicism since Vatican 2. This extends not only into inter-denominational unity, but interfaith, meaning people of different religions. You can find where I voice my concern about this in my article called The World Council of Churches and their closed door dialogues. Since Vatican 2 the Catholic church believes that truth can be found outside of the church and this truth works together and impells people towards catholic unity ( I have no doubt about that ). The late pope put this into action when he openly kissed the Koran that states that God has no son and that anyone who believes in the triune God does blaspheme; and he openly received the Shiva from a Hindu woman. Would a Christian really do those things. Sura 5:17,73 - 17. In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every - one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things. 73. They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. [...]

  4. [...] His orthodoxy is generously over sympathetic towards the Roman Church than it is towards conservative protestants. Does that give you enough cause to worry? It certainly does for me, especially considering the headway that the WCC and the Roman Church is making towards a unified faith. This unity by the way, if based on traditions and practices of the Roman Church, and other religions rather than the Word of God is a farce. We should have no part in it. This unity is being driven by a ‘code of conduct on converting christians’ which is being pushed by the Vatican through the World Council of Churches. If you have not already done so then to get a background on this I have a post here and here, that will give you a better understanding. [...]

  5. [...] We know that the Vatican is pushing the World Council of Churches towards an interfaith dialogue, outlining a code of conduct for converting Christians. We know that the WCC is very much wanting to promote a social gospel for all the world religions to embrace, as their hope is to fix all the problems that a pluralistic society has. The World Council of Churches is big on unity, not biblical unity mind you, but a unity of compromise. [...]

  6. lisa whytock said, on August 4th, 2006 at 11:14 pm

    What if there was a group who would pull different people of different backgrounds and religions, all the while letting them think they could still have their “religion” but do this belief too? The time early spent in this other belief they would be getting relief from early upsets or made to think they were doing good for the planet or mankind, this was the solution. The problem is that farther up the study of this belief, which over time they made into a religion by the way, the person gets pulled further away from their first religion to no God at all. The new religion has you sign documents that you will not be doing other practices while doing this new one. The higher up you go the more secret it gets, why? Because if you were to read it 1) it would sound too crazy, and 2) you would realize this new religion had an agenda a long time ago. That the creator of this religion had his early roots in satanism, black arts, and bigomy, and conning people. That he actually believed that Jesus was the enemy to keep from coming and Lucifer was the enlightened one to be helped. Sounds crazy? This person actually thought he was the one spoken of in Revelations. If you can google this do so…
    OTVIII part 2 and the other one is Routine 3 heaven.
    There is more but this will give you an idea of why we of the belief in God have a real enemy and it should not be each other. Many of the poor souls who are following this madmans (who is dead now) lies are doomed, we can only pray for them. His organization is still strong and very corupt and dangerous ( google ” the unfunny truth about scientology”). I am sure that I don’t have to worry about any of you reading this that you’ll run and get a start in this group of lost souls. But we must pray, we must love one another. God Bless

  7. Bud said, on September 10th, 2006 at 8:24 pm

    To understand the Bible, believers generally use Scripture to interpret Scripture. If Leaven is referred to evil in the Bible, why should the parable of the leaven be an exception. Especially, when Jesus just got done warning us of the leaven of the Pharisees.

    Consider this interpretation (NKJV)

    A woman (a church) hides leaven (conceils her evil) in three measures of meal (behind the guise of three truths about God: Trinity, Deity, Bodily Resurrection) until it is all leavened (until the evil is fully matured: the one world religion)

    So what is the evil? It is ultimately “the sacrifice of the mass in an unbloody manner, in which the Bible says, “without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness.” After all, demons believe these three truths about God and shudder, but they can’t apply the blood either. Catholicism has rejected the finished work on the cross, “once and for all.”

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